Comments on: To line up or not to line up? http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:39:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: joel http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-13977 joel Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:55:54 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-13977 is it just me or does this line phenomena mainly exist in east bay bound lines, more than any other? I catch the trains from embarcadero toward the airport at commute times and the main, anoyying, disruptive lines I see are for eastbound trains only. I've started to wonder if there is some kind of larger cultural thing going on (conservative vs liberal; sububurbs vs urban; common sense vs tightwad). is it just me or does this line phenomena mainly exist in east bay bound lines, more than any other? I catch the trains from embarcadero toward the airport at commute times and the main, anoyying, disruptive lines I see are for eastbound trains only. I’ve started to wonder if there is some kind of larger cultural thing going on (conservative vs liberal; sububurbs vs urban; common sense vs tightwad).

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]]> By: Beth W. http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1623 Beth W. Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:55:56 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1623 In general, I don't mind the line as it (as long as it's to one side of the doors) keeps people out of the way of passengers exiting the train. However, as a heavily pregnant woman, I go ahead and cut the line because I <i>really</i> need a seat. I do also move down on the platform away from the busiest central cars -- lines are shorter, seats are more plentiful. In general, I don’t mind the line as it (as long as it’s to one side of the doors) keeps people out of the way of passengers exiting the train. However, as a heavily pregnant woman, I go ahead and cut the line because I really need a seat. I do also move down on the platform away from the busiest central cars — lines are shorter, seats are more plentiful.

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]]> By: Jeff http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1618 Jeff Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:49:00 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1618 Barna, you're so right. Just thinking about the escalator thing is enough to make my blood boil. But there's also those who board before letting people off. I remember learning that one as it relates to elevator etiquette at a very early age. People ... Barna, you’re so right. Just thinking about the escalator thing is enough to make my blood boil. But there’s also those who board before letting people off. I remember learning that one as it relates to elevator etiquette at a very early age.

People …

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]]> By: Barna http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1617 Barna Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:25:04 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1617 If it would be an official BART policy, I would consider it. But otherwise it just seems like some other passenger is trying to impose their ineffective idea on me. I have been commuting on subways for decades now in different countries and BART was the first where I saw people sometimes forming these half-assed lines. I promptly ignored them. The thing I get mad about is when people don't keep to the right on the escalator and don't let others exit before entering a car. If anything, we should make sure we get better about that. If it would be an official BART policy, I would consider it. But otherwise it just seems like some other passenger is trying to impose their ineffective idea on me. I have been commuting on subways for decades now in different countries and BART was the first where I saw people sometimes forming these half-assed lines. I promptly ignored them.

The thing I get mad about is when people don’t keep to the right on the escalator and don’t let others exit before entering a car. If anything, we should make sure we get better about that.

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]]> By: Tara http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1616 Tara Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:50:08 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1616 I don't stand in line. I stand next to the line, then get in as if it were just a group of people instead of a line. There is no line! Why are you in line!? I say no. I don’t stand in line. I stand next to the line, then get in as if it were just a group of people instead of a line.

There is no line! Why are you in line!?

I say no.

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]]> By: Erik http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1615 Erik Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:00:29 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1615 It is kind of fun to sidle up and stand next to a line at an East Bay platform as if it were a crowd though. The passive-aggressive dirty looks are delicious. It is kind of fun to sidle up and stand next to a line at an East Bay platform as if it were a crowd though. The passive-aggressive dirty looks are delicious.

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]]> By: Erik http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1614 Erik Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:57:01 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1614 People waiting for a Muni underground train stand at the yellow zone like they are in line, but then when the doors open hardly anyone moves. They stand there right in front of the door while everyone enters and exits around them and people from the back of the crowd try to push through the waiting crowd before the doors close. There needs to be an announcement to take a few steps back if your train isn't the one pulling up to the platform. People waiting for a Muni underground train stand at the yellow zone like they are in line, but then when the doors open hardly anyone moves. They stand there right in front of the door while everyone enters and exits around them and people from the back of the crowd try to push through the waiting crowd before the doors close. There needs to be an announcement to take a few steps back if your train isn’t the one pulling up to the platform.

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]]> By: Jeff http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1613 Jeff Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:50:16 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1613 I like <i>the idea</i> of lines, but as Tara pointed out, it's imposing order on chaos. Sooner or later, the uptight among us (yours truly, most prominently) need to realize that ours is a disorderly culture. We don't mind others too well, and we're definitely inconsiderate as all hell. Still, I kind of like the idea of trying. Yes, Muni Manners ladies, I'm baiting you! ;) I like the idea of lines, but as Tara pointed out, it’s imposing order on chaos. Sooner or later, the uptight among us (yours truly, most prominently) need to realize that ours is a disorderly culture. We don’t mind others too well, and we’re definitely inconsiderate as all hell.

Still, I kind of like the idea of trying.

Yes, Muni Manners ladies, I’m baiting you! ;)

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]]> By: jeff http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1611 jeff Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:54:09 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1611 I've noticed the BART line culture at peak hours, but beyond that it always seems like a free-for-all. MUNI has never operated like that, and I didn't really notice the lines until I started hopping on the express buses for my new job. Since there are only 3 stops going outbound for the 38 and 31 bx, it gets packed and the only way to really handle it is with the line. It makes sense, and since there are so many buses coming it really makes things easier and faster. If you tried to cut lines in an express bus someone would speak up about it, for sure. When there is a line its clearly for the structure, and its necessary. So, I guess what I'm trying to say, as a frequent transit line participant, is they're alright. I’ve noticed the BART line culture at peak hours, but beyond that it always seems like a free-for-all. MUNI has never operated like that, and I didn’t really notice the lines until I started hopping on the express buses for my new job. Since there are only 3 stops going outbound for the 38 and 31 bx, it gets packed and the only way to really handle it is with the line. It makes sense, and since there are so many buses coming it really makes things easier and faster. If you tried to cut lines in an express bus someone would speak up about it, for sure. When there is a line its clearly for the structure, and its necessary. So, I guess what I’m trying to say, as a frequent transit line participant, is they’re alright.

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]]> By: flue http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/02/06/to-line-up-or-not-to-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1610 flue Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:40:43 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=1619#comment-1610 I agree with your friend and appreciate the line-up for BART trains. Compare this to MUNI trains which is a free-for-all. It's frustrating to be waiting for the N-Judah and watch the crowds accumulate as we all wait for the next train to arrive. When the train actually does come (20 minutes later...but I digress), the length of time you've been waiting has no correlation to whether you will actually be able to board the train or get pushed out of the way. I usually do make it on, but who needs that stress. Back to BART, I do see your point about the lines blocking walkways. Would be good to see a solution where there are still lines, but perhaps a pathway down the middle. I agree with your friend and appreciate the line-up for BART trains. Compare this to MUNI trains which is a free-for-all. It’s frustrating to be waiting for the N-Judah and watch the crowds accumulate as we all wait for the next train to arrive. When the train actually does come (20 minutes later…but I digress), the length of time you’ve been waiting has no correlation to whether you will actually be able to board the train or get pushed out of the way. I usually do make it on, but who needs that stress.

Back to BART, I do see your point about the lines blocking walkways. Would be good to see a solution where there are still lines, but perhaps a pathway down the middle.

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