Comments on: Woman Abused by Teen on the J

By: Justme

Justme — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:18:11 +0000

Thank you Jeff for the answer to Dee.
I’m not sure what is more scary, violent teenagers and adults or a buss full with arm people ready to kill each other or is the same?!

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By: jeff

jeff — Tue, 19 May 2009 18:23:20 +0000

@Dee: WHOA! arm yourself? i don’t know that a weaponized ridership is really the answer. the problem is deep, it’s true. and more work than most of us can muster. but i don’t see more violence as any kind of solution.

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By: Dee

Dee — Tue, 19 May 2009 18:20:15 +0000

It is your responsibility to arm yourself and have the ability to successfully defend yourself on Muni. Wake up.

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By: Done Being PC

Done Being PC — Tue, 19 May 2009 03:56:39 +0000

Try being on the bus when one of these little fuckers sets off a stink bomb. It has happened to me twice. Once on the 22 and once on the 26. If I ever have the chance, I’ll mace the shit out of them.

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By: jeff

jeff — Tue, 19 May 2009 00:19:35 +0000

Thanks for filling us in here. Still a fucked-up tale, for sure. But goes to show that every story has
many interpretations. I appreciate the discussion that’s taken place in these comments, as that’s what this site is all about. It’s no one’s Muni but our own, after all.

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By: Leanne

Leanne — Mon, 18 May 2009 23:56:04 +0000

Hi Jeff, I linked to this post on SFist this morning. Awesome story, BTW! We just got a comment from an alleged eye witness who said there was way more to the story than La Rose let on, and that La Rose was a man. (La Rose’s original letter doesn’t claim either way, except for the girl calling him a Bitch.)

Sadly, I was there. What seems to be missing from the account is that the man was yelling crude obscenities at the teen and pulled the her legs off of the seats which initally escalated the exchange.

Myself and the passengers around me couldn’t believe he would do that to a young woman, no matter how haughty she was. She responded so inappropriately that it just became a total mess.

Many people ignored what was happening, and looked at their iPhones and it was also very crowded. Some did try to minimally restrain the girl, but I think no one whole-heartedly jumped in to help him b/c he was initially so disrespectful to her. The story was just not as black and white as portrayed.

The worst part was seeing the young children going on a fieldtrip with their moms…ugh, the whole thing was ugly.

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By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 18 May 2009 22:15:02 +0000

@Ian. I would also have stepped in and made a citizens arrest. But most people won’t do anything not because they’re spineless, but because the laws in the state of California make helping people in distress prohibitive. Criminals in the state of California have more rights than their victims. Had you stepped in and held this scummy teenager down you would most likely have been arrested yourseld and held on charges of child abuse or even worse someone might have accused you of being racially motivated. Unfortunately, in the city of San Francisco there is a large population of undereducated and even ignorant citizens who put our lives in jeopardy every day. Common citezens who pay their bills and work their asses of to live here are the most un-protected. The laws here protect the criminals and the ignorant.

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By: Not Stupid in SF

Not Stupid in SF — Mon, 18 May 2009 22:13:36 +0000

You better believe that your life is going to get a helluva lot more complicated and your wallet a lot lighter if you try to physically restrain these hoodlums. They ALSO know there are cameras and I promise they’ll be screaming to get the footage if you restrained them.

I’ve watched 14 yr old girls pull knives on each other on a packed 22. You think I’m going to risk my life to stop them? I solve the problem by getting off the bus when certain demographics get on in numbers greater than 1.

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By: jeff

jeff — Mon, 18 May 2009 21:58:03 +0000

@MG: huh? the victim (and perp) was a woman. can u provide a source for what you’re claiming? good news if so. til then, color me skeptical.

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By: Ian

Ian — Mon, 18 May 2009 21:47:54 +0000

The male population in SF is mostly a bunch of spineless wankers. Sorry I wasn’t there. I would have had my fingers wrapped around neck face down on the floor and yelled instructions to staring morons to activate the emergency stop and call police. I’ve done this before against hooligans and I love it. I will never back down and let these friggin’ hoodlums get their way. Someday I’m sure I’ll get hurt standing up for myself and others but till that day comes, I’ll continue doing what I do and enjoying every minute of hurt I dish out.

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