Comments on: Our talk with the woman who broke up the Muni fight http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:39:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Christian Shearer http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-5729 Christian Shearer Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:38:10 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-5729 I've personally been trying to settle the intense racial aspect of this confrontation with little or no success. I'm African-American and I know that sometimes racially charge events happen as a result of being melting pot society. I also know that African-American as a whole do like Chinese people otherwise many immigrants would be hard press to sell anything when they open up liquor, hair, and nail stores in black communities. (Personally I see it as morally wrong to open up a liquor store anywhere as it promotes the destruction of its patrons but I also understand its just business) Believe it or not we could boycott these goods and if this racial nonsense doesn't stop such a thing is likely to happen and then it wouldn’t matter what your opinions of race are. I’ve been stressing the connection between ignorance and racism as I have found the two likely to date each other. Afro-Asian relations is all about dispelling ignorance on both sides and trust me there are and getting to “A more perfect union” because we the people are very connected. Asian Immigrants tend to need the “Urban Cliental” (in reality this isn’t a Black vs. Asian issue but Asian Immigrants vs. urban low income communities) to provide the money they need to support themselves. The perceive problem with black people is just an over generalization of unfriendly attitudes in low income areas which blacks and other non blacks tend to live. You be hard press to find any incident like this happening in other parts of America where people are in general middle class or higher. African-Americans like Asians are victims to harshness of urban life which many immigrants fall into and like Asians there are a group of us that is fed-up. We all share a common struggle toward the American dream and we all must realize we are in this together lest another Nanjing anti-African protest happens or worst an American base riot occurs. Chi is a hero for being the only sane one in a sea of ignorance. People just shouldn’t fight regardless of who started what and for the record I would have applauded the Chinese women for standing her ground against an ignorant person had there been no racial undertone. Honestly all of this could have been avoided if the Muni system had an enforcer of civil behavior type personal onboard maybe we can use this incident to get one. In Closing Thank You once again Miss Chi and African-American don’t hold contempt against Asians and the attitudes of urban areas represent a small fraction of what and who the African American is in general. I’ve been motivated to tackle this issue and will be hosting something locally to encourage positive Afro-Asian relations. I’ve personally been trying to settle the intense racial aspect of this confrontation with little or no success. I’m African-American and I know that sometimes racially charge events happen as a result of being melting pot society. I also know that African-American as a whole do like Chinese people otherwise many immigrants would be hard press to sell anything when they open up liquor, hair, and nail stores in black communities. (Personally I see it as morally wrong to open up a liquor store anywhere as it promotes the destruction of its patrons but I also understand its just business) Believe it or not we could boycott these goods and if this racial nonsense doesn’t stop such a thing is likely to happen and then it wouldn’t matter what your opinions of race are.
I’ve been stressing the connection between ignorance and racism as I have found the two likely to date each other. Afro-Asian relations is all about dispelling ignorance on both sides and trust me there are and getting to “A more perfect union” because we the people are very connected.
Asian Immigrants tend to need the “Urban Cliental” (in reality this isn’t a Black vs. Asian issue but Asian Immigrants vs. urban low income communities) to provide the money they need to support themselves. The perceive problem with black people is just an over generalization of unfriendly attitudes in low income areas which blacks and other non blacks tend to live. You be hard press to find any incident like this happening in other parts of America where people are in general middle class or higher.
African-Americans like Asians are victims to harshness of urban life which many immigrants fall into and like Asians there are a group of us that is fed-up. We all share a common struggle toward the American dream and we all must realize we are in this together lest another Nanjing anti-African protest happens or worst an American base riot occurs.
Chi is a hero for being the only sane one in a sea of ignorance. People just shouldn’t fight regardless of who started what and for the record I would have applauded the Chinese women for standing her ground against an ignorant person had there been no racial undertone.
Honestly all of this could have been avoided if the Muni system had an enforcer of civil behavior type personal onboard maybe we can use this incident to get one. In Closing Thank You once again Miss Chi and African-American don’t hold contempt against Asians and the attitudes of urban areas represent a small fraction of what and who the African American is in general. I’ve been motivated to tackle this issue and will be hosting something locally to encourage positive Afro-Asian relations.

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]]> By: Jon http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4705 Jon Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:53:08 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4705 kudos! kudos!

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]]> By: Heatheer http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4061 Heatheer Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:47:47 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4061 The fact that she just wanted to listen to her iPod doesn't mean anything. People screaming at each other on buses is so commonplace, there is nothing to do but turn up your iPod. You can't be expected to pay rapt attention to each altercation that happens on Muni (unless you're really into watching that kind of thing). The fact that she just wanted to listen to her iPod doesn’t mean anything. People screaming at each other on buses is so commonplace, there is nothing to do but turn up your iPod. You can’t be expected to pay rapt attention to each altercation that happens on Muni (unless you’re really into watching that kind of thing).

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]]> By: Arose http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4055 Arose Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:14:36 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4055 "Old Asian lady"? I didn't think she was old and I wouldn't say "lady". You can't reallly tell how old either of them are from the video. You can't tell what started the fight by the video, either, so you can't assume anyone was backing down from anything. What you can see is who threw the first punch (but Chi couldn't). And you can see/hear who threw the first 25 "f--- you's". As if those aren't fighting words in any language. I don't think there is any good reason to throw a punch or use such inciteful language on a muni bus. Anyway, I do agree that Chi is a hero. She intervened to stop two women from hurting eachother, when no one else would. She didn't stop ponder whether it was racially motivated or why they were fighting. She just stepped in where her help was needed. I probably would have been to scared to step in. I'm not brave. She is. And as for the iPod, can you really blame people from trying to block out the noise of muni? I don't have an iPod, but sometimes I wish I did. “Old Asian lady”? I didn’t think she was old and I wouldn’t say “lady”. You can’t reallly tell how old either of them are from the video. You can’t tell what started the fight by the video, either, so you can’t assume anyone was backing down from anything. What you can see is who threw the first punch (but Chi couldn’t). And you can see/hear who threw the first 25 “f— you’s”. As if those aren’t fighting words in any language. I don’t think there is any good reason to throw a punch or use such inciteful language on a muni bus.

Anyway, I do agree that Chi is a hero. She intervened to stop two women from hurting eachother, when no one else would. She didn’t stop ponder whether it was racially motivated or why they were fighting. She just stepped in where her help was needed. I probably would have been to scared to step in. I’m not brave. She is.

And as for the iPod, can you really blame people from trying to block out the noise of muni? I don’t have an iPod, but sometimes I wish I did.

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]]> By: jeff http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4054 jeff Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:51:25 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4054 James, you've got a point. Our day jobs sometimes prevent us from monitoring these comments as closely as we should. And we sometimes like to rely on our reading/commenting community to help us. Which you've done. Folkwolf101 is touching on a sentiment he/she might see as legitimate, how one community feels it is treated by another. But the comment is an unwarranted, and snarky, generalization. Let is serve as an example of the kinds of things we don't tolerate here on Muni Diaries. James, you’ve got a point. Our day jobs sometimes prevent us from monitoring these comments as closely as we should. And we sometimes like to rely on our reading/commenting community to help us. Which you’ve done.

Folkwolf101 is touching on a sentiment he/she might see as legitimate, how one community feels it is treated by another. But the comment is an unwarranted, and snarky, generalization. Let is serve as an example of the kinds of things we don’t tolerate here on Muni Diaries.

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]]> By: eugenia http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4053 eugenia Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:50:23 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4053 James, you are absolutely right that sweeping generalizations about African Americans have no place on this site. I have seen similar stereotypes from the comments section in the original post as well, and I've commented that these stereotypes do not belong in this discussion. You are right to say that as a moderator I should have called out Folkwolf101's statement. Thank you, for keeping us in check. James, you are absolutely right that sweeping generalizations about African Americans have no place on this site. I have seen similar stereotypes from the comments section in the original post as well, and I’ve commented that these stereotypes do not belong in this discussion.

You are right to say that as a moderator I should have called out Folkwolf101′s statement. Thank you, for keeping us in check.

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]]> By: James http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4052 James Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:26:13 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4052 "Sorry honey, but African Americans treat Assians with contempt all the time and are all too used to doing so without confrontation. " I see Muni Diaries is still letting sweeping generalizations about African Americans go unchided. Fucking hypocrites. “Sorry honey, but African Americans treat Assians with contempt all the time and are all too used to doing so without confrontation. ”

I see Muni Diaries is still letting sweeping generalizations about African Americans go unchided.

Fucking hypocrites.

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]]> By: Sarah http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4043 Sarah Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:42:03 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4043 Just wanted to second mattymatt's comment: On the Media (bestest show ever) debunked the Kitty Genovese story months ago. You can listen to the segment or read the transcript here: http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/03/27/05. I'm a fan of fact-checking. As for the interview, I think it underscored the fact that this video--and any video--is from one person's perspective, a limited perspective for sure. When you add that to what our own life experiences, reading history, ethnic background, socioeconomic class level and all the other such factors that shape how we interpret such footage, you can't help but be reminded of just how malleable something called "reality" actually is. Just wanted to second mattymatt’s comment: On the Media (bestest show ever) debunked the Kitty Genovese story months ago. You can listen to the segment or read the transcript here: http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/03/27/05. I’m a fan of fact-checking.

As for the interview, I think it underscored the fact that this video–and any video–is from one person’s perspective, a limited perspective for sure. When you add that to what our own life experiences, reading history, ethnic background, socioeconomic class level and all the other such factors that shape how we interpret such footage, you can’t help but be reminded of just how malleable something called “reality” actually is.

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]]> By: jeff http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4042 jeff Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:31:59 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4042 I hear you, but I still haven't seen really credible mythbusting on that. And also, bystander effect seems totally plausible to me. I've experienced it countless times. I hear you, but I still haven’t seen really credible mythbusting on that. And also, bystander effect seems totally plausible to me. I’ve experienced it countless times.

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]]> By: mattymatt http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/10/15/woman-who-broke-up-muni-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-4040 mattymatt Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:22:51 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5198#comment-4040 Great interview. (But the Kitty Genovese thing is sort of an urban myth.) Great interview. (But the Kitty Genovese thing is sort of an urban myth.)

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