Comments on: But I bet he paid the phone bill http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:39:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jeff http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5590 jeff Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:59:35 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-5590 oh, wow. thanks for the insightful comment. oh, wow. thanks for the insightful comment.

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]]> By: Fuck Muni http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-5589 Fuck Muni Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:05:27 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-5589 Muni Sucks. Muni Nazi's waste Tax money. Muni Sucks. Muni Nazi’s waste Tax money.

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]]> By: Erik http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-4324 Erik Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:55:55 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-4324 The police can only work on exactly one type of crime at a time. The police can only work on exactly one type of crime at a time.

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]]> By: Daishin http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-4318 Daishin Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:45:03 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-4318 How wonderful. Our men in blue protecting us against those evil fare evaders. There must have been no murders that night in the City. How wonderful. Our men in blue protecting us against those evil fare evaders. There must have been no murders that night in the City.

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]]> By: Erik http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-4272 Erik Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:42:54 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-4272 They can't search you without probable cause, but if you are on a train and don't show them your transfer/pass when asked then they can definitely write you a ticket without violating anyone's rights. They can’t search you without probable cause, but if you are on a train and don’t show them your transfer/pass when asked then they can definitely write you a ticket without violating anyone’s rights.

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]]> By: Seven http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-4271 Seven Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:58:01 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-4271 Could some of these officers do a sting of my employer, who violates the Commuter Benefits Ordinance in SF by not allowing me to purchase my Fast Pass with pretax dollars? Certainly the SF Dept of the Environment doesn't seem to care about enforcement. Could some of these officers do a sting of my employer, who violates the Commuter Benefits Ordinance in SF by not allowing me to purchase my Fast Pass with pretax dollars? Certainly the SF Dept of the Environment doesn’t seem to care about enforcement.

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]]> By: drew bader http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-4266 drew bader Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:48:11 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-4266 Just so I'm clear on what you're saying, You're saying that the 4th amendment is suspended public transportation? I fully agree that the fair inspectors or police could ASK me for my POP, but if I told them they didn't have the right to see it wouldn't I be within my rights? You wouldn't tolerate this in another part of your life would you? What about being randomly stopped on the street for an I.D. check? Isn't that the same principle? What about pulling over random people on the freeway to check for car insurance? Aren't these all essentially the same in that they all give the "inspector" or police officer the free hand to assume you're breaking the law and ask you to prove your innocence? I was always told you were presumed innocent in America. Just so I’m clear on what you’re saying, You’re saying that the 4th amendment
is suspended public transportation? I fully agree that the fair inspectors or police
could ASK me for my POP, but if I told them they didn’t have the right to see it
wouldn’t I be within my rights? You wouldn’t tolerate this in another part of your life would you? What about being randomly stopped on the street for an I.D. check? Isn’t that the same principle? What about pulling over random people on the freeway to check for car insurance? Aren’t these all essentially the same in that they all give the “inspector” or police officer the free hand to assume you’re breaking the law and ask you to prove your innocence? I was always told you were presumed innocent in America.

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]]> By: Sus http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-4265 Sus Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:30:58 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-4265 If you mean being asked to provide POP, you are incorrect... "Failure to produce Proof of Payment when asked by a Muni Fare Inspector will result in a large fine." From here: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mfares/pop.htm Basically, being on Muni gives inspectors and police the right to ask you for POP. It doesn't mean they can search your entire bag or anything like that, just for POP. Granted, if it were just an inspector, this self-entitled dumbass wouldn't have been handcuffed and probably not even cited as he could've just lied about his name, but luckily it was the police, who do have every right to ask for valid ID. If you mean being asked to provide POP, you are incorrect…

“Failure to produce Proof of Payment when asked by a Muni Fare Inspector will result in a large fine.”

From here: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mfares/pop.htm

Basically, being on Muni gives inspectors and police the right to ask you for POP. It doesn’t mean they can search your entire bag or anything like that, just for POP. Granted, if it were just an inspector, this self-entitled dumbass wouldn’t have been handcuffed and probably not even cited as he could’ve just lied about his name, but luckily it was the police, who do have every right to ask for valid ID.

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]]> By: drew bader http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/04/but-i-bet-he-paid-the-phone-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-4264 drew bader Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:25:00 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5486#comment-4264 I don't suppose that he was on his cell phone calling his attorney. I really wish someone would have the balls to sue the SFPD and the city of SF for violating their 4th amendment rights (adults have the protection from being searched w/o probable cause). I don’t suppose that he was on his cell phone calling his attorney. I really wish someone would have the balls to sue the SFPD and the city of SF for violating their 4th amendment rights (adults have the protection from being searched w/o probable cause).

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