Comments on: More Hate for Fare Inspectors than for DPT? http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:38:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-13371 Chris Fri, 20 May 2011 21:16:17 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-13371 Cyclists running red lights is different than fare violators. Running red lights as a vehicle is dangerous not only to yourself, but to others on the road as well. If bicycles want to be treated with respect on the roads and be treated like any other vehicle, they need to obey the laws of the roads as if they were a vehicle. Cyclists running red lights is different than fare violators. Running red lights as a vehicle is dangerous not only to yourself, but to others on the road as well. If bicycles want to be treated with respect on the roads and be treated like any other vehicle, they need to obey the laws of the roads as if they were a vehicle.

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]]> By: bikiniwall.info http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-12414 bikiniwall.info Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:39:02 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-12414 These MUNI Fare Inspectors are glorified mall cops. Fire these jabronis ASAP! These MUNI Fare Inspectors are glorified mall cops. Fire these jabronis ASAP!

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-6211 Anonymous Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:54:55 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-6211 I also wanted to add that people don't even have to evade paying the fare. You can get fast passes for free from the GA office. The whole fare evasion thing is really just the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you people seriously think that putting those annoying uniformed dickheads on our buses is going to stop the budget deficit, you've got a couple of loose screws in your head I also wanted to add that people don’t even have to evade paying the fare. You can get fast passes for free from the GA office. The whole fare evasion thing is really just the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. If you people seriously think that putting those annoying uniformed dickheads on our buses is going to stop the budget deficit, you’ve got a couple of loose screws in your head

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-6210 Anonymous Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:51:32 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-6210 The reason why I (and so very many others) hate the muni fare inspectors is not because we're avoiding paying the fare and that they're stopping us from riding for free. Although I'm sure people like Tara would love to argue otherwise... The real reason why we hate fare inspectors is because, quite frankly, they're a bunch of annoying, unqualified douchebag rent-a-cops who harass paying riders and interfere with our commute. I acknowledge the fact that fare evaders play a significant role in Muni's budget defecit, however, I do not believe that putting fare inspectors on buses is ever going to stop them. For every fare inspector on duty, MUNI have to pay that inspector a salary. This means that if the Fare inspectors do not write enough citations to make up for their salary, Muni is still losing just as much if not more money. This also motivates the fare inspectors to cite people who aren't even in the wrong, just to meet the quota. Me and many of my friends have been repeatedly harassed by fare inspectors, despite the fact that we're paying riders. There's been times where I've been pulled off the N judah train and forced to stand on the street for up to half an hour to be searched and checked by the police. On one occasion, me and my girlfriend were going to 7th and Market to board a Golden Gate Transit bus to Petaluma, and right before we got off the bus, a girl sitting next to us asked if we still needed our transfers. Since we were leaving the city, my girlfriend gave the girl her transfer just before exiting the bus. When we stepped off the bus, we were confronted by a gang of POP cops. They held us for about 20 minutes, scolded my girlfriend and issued her a citation that she couldn't even pay. We missed our bus and had to wait for the next one, which took an hour, and arrived in Petaluma very late at night. My girlfriend was so stressed out about the ticket that she cried herself to sleep. If Muni wants to address their budget defecit, they need to fire the 8 people on the board of supervisors who aren't even doing shit and are getting paid way more than the bus drivers. POP cops are a real menace to paying MUNI riders, and are helping discourage riders from riding MUNI in the first place. The POP cops harass people, break the law, and interfere with people getting on/off the bus and also transfering to other bus lines. Sometimes, when I see them on the over-crowded 38-geary during rush hour, harassing anyone and everyone they can, causing massive delays in the already fucked up bus schedule, I wish I could just knock their fucking teeth out. And if you think I'm wrong, screw you too! I've been a paying MUNI rider since the mid 1990s, and I deeply regret ever having spent a penny on muni. If I had saved all the money I spent on Muni, I'd probably own my own FLEET of POP-Cop-Free buses by now. The reason why I (and so very many others) hate the muni fare inspectors is not because we’re avoiding paying the fare and that they’re stopping us from riding for free. Although I’m sure people like Tara would love to argue otherwise…

The real reason why we hate fare inspectors is because, quite frankly, they’re a bunch of annoying, unqualified douchebag rent-a-cops who harass paying riders and interfere with our commute. I acknowledge the fact that fare evaders play a significant role in Muni’s budget defecit, however, I do not believe that putting fare inspectors on buses is ever going to stop them. For every fare inspector on duty, MUNI have to pay that inspector a salary. This means that if the Fare inspectors do not write enough citations to make up for their salary, Muni is still losing just as much if not more money. This also motivates the fare inspectors to cite people who aren’t even in the wrong, just to meet the quota. Me and many of my friends have been repeatedly harassed by fare inspectors, despite the fact that we’re paying riders. There’s been times where I’ve been pulled off the N judah train and forced to stand on the street for up to half an hour to be searched and checked by the police. On one occasion, me and my girlfriend were going to 7th and Market to board a Golden Gate Transit bus to Petaluma, and right before we got off the bus, a girl sitting next to us asked if we still needed our transfers. Since we were leaving the city, my girlfriend gave the girl her transfer just before exiting the bus. When we stepped off the bus, we were confronted by a gang of POP cops. They held us for about 20 minutes, scolded my girlfriend and issued her a citation that she couldn’t even pay. We missed our bus and had to wait for the next one, which took an hour, and arrived in Petaluma very late at night. My girlfriend was so stressed out about the ticket that she cried herself to sleep. If Muni wants to address their budget defecit, they need to fire the 8 people on the board of supervisors who aren’t even doing shit and are getting paid way more than the bus drivers. POP cops are a real menace to paying MUNI riders, and are helping discourage riders from riding MUNI in the first place. The POP cops harass people, break the law, and interfere with people getting on/off the bus and also transfering to other bus lines. Sometimes, when I see them on the over-crowded 38-geary during rush hour, harassing anyone and everyone they can, causing massive delays in the already fucked up bus schedule, I wish I could just knock their fucking teeth out. And if you think I’m wrong, screw you too! I’ve been a paying MUNI rider since the mid 1990s, and I deeply regret ever having spent a penny on muni. If I had saved all the money I spent on Muni, I’d probably own my own FLEET of POP-Cop-Free buses by now.

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]]> By: muni_lover http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-6205 muni_lover Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:17:57 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-6205 Sorry Jeff Daishin is my Tony Sorry Jeff
Daishin is my Tony

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]]> By: muni_lover http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-6204 muni_lover Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:15:34 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-6204 Daishin, you have some concrete suggestions and I'm pleasantly surprised as you usually have only empty rhetoric. While I agree that the contracts should be renegotiated for merit based pay, I dont see that happening for fare inspectors. The only way I see a merit based system applied to them is by measuring the number of citations they write a day; it wouldnt be the number of people they check or whatever. Unfortunately for your suggestion, we have a pesky little thing called the Constitution which protects us from police officers issuing a quota of citations. Give a fare inspector a merit based pay scale dependant on the number of citations and you get the wild west with fare inspectors dealing out citations like card shark dealers. The other two suggestions you must have gotten from the meetings you attended because they both have been ok'd for a while now; one is called Translink and they are moving there quickly over the past few years....the other is the new gates they've already reported that they're switching over to. NIce try though. I appreciate your trying to be more concrete as this is exactly what this forum really deserves. My CAPTCHA is Therefore repulse Daishin, you have some concrete suggestions and I’m pleasantly surprised as you usually have only empty rhetoric. While I agree that the contracts should be renegotiated for merit based pay, I dont see that happening for fare inspectors. The only way I see a merit based system applied to them is by measuring the number of citations they write a day; it wouldnt be the number of people they check or whatever. Unfortunately for your suggestion, we have a pesky little thing called the Constitution which protects us from police officers issuing a quota of citations. Give a fare inspector a merit based pay scale dependant on the number of citations and you get the wild west with fare inspectors dealing out citations like card shark dealers. The other two suggestions you must have gotten from the meetings you attended because they both have been ok’d for a while now; one is called Translink and they are moving there quickly over the past few years….the other is the new gates they’ve already reported that they’re switching over to. NIce try though. I appreciate your trying to be more concrete as this is exactly what this forum really deserves.

My CAPTCHA is Therefore repulse

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]]> By: mackbk718 http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-6201 mackbk718 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:31:42 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-6201 No one gives up one's 4th or 5th amendment right when they board a city bus or train. If a fare inspector see's an infraction committed (an offense that warrants a ticket) by all means they are within the law or statute to ask for proof of payment or just write the ticket. If the infraction was not seen, I am not obliged to speak to them or show any ID or proof of payment and the fare inspector would be detaining me illegally if he or she pressed the issue. These are the rules peace officers must adhere to. Are fare inspectors above them? Surely not. No one gives up one’s 4th or 5th amendment right when they board a city bus or train.
If a fare inspector see’s an infraction committed (an offense that warrants a ticket) by all means they are within the law or statute to ask for proof of payment or just write the ticket.

If the infraction was not seen, I am not obliged to speak to them or show any ID or proof of payment and the fare inspector would be detaining me illegally if he or she pressed the issue.
These are the rules peace officers must adhere to. Are fare inspectors above them? Surely not.

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]]> By: jeff http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-5507 jeff Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:33:41 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-5507 Well, thanks for pointing me to this post, Tony, and giving me a chance to re-read its comments. I do not find a single instance of venom toward fare evaders. Quite the opposite; all I see is one side spewing its utter contempt for fare inspectors. You know, the ones whose job it is to enforce the rules. I say come up with your own society, your own rules, somewhere else. Then have fun dealing with those who disobey only out of spite, not some real inability to play along. Well, thanks for pointing me to this post, Tony, and giving me a chance to re-read its comments. I do not find a single instance of venom toward fare evaders. Quite the opposite; all I see is one side spewing its utter contempt for fare inspectors. You know, the ones whose job it is to enforce the rules. I say come up with your own society, your own rules, somewhere else. Then have fun dealing with those who disobey only out of spite, not some real inability to play along.

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]]> By: Tony http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-5505 Tony Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:57:11 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-5505 I think here's a good thread to point out all the hate for fare evaders. "Screw fare evaders" "taser the fare evaders" oh and the fare inspector with the blond crewcut has accepted a new job at Santa Rita Women's Prison as the assistant warden. I love me my KKKs. I think here’s a good thread to point out all the hate for fare evaders. “Screw fare evaders” “taser the fare evaders” oh and the fare inspector with the blond crewcut has accepted a new job at Santa Rita Women’s Prison as the assistant warden. I love me my KKKs.

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]]> By: Daishin http://www.munidiaries.com/2009/11/05/more-hate-for-fare-inspectors-than-for-dpt/comment-page-1/#comment-5475 Daishin Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:34:01 +0000 http://www.munidiaries.com/?p=5530#comment-5475 I mispoke, as George Bush used to say so frequently. Please add a couple of 00s to the amount I suggested above for the MUNI employees to be docked. Actually if it were possible, I'd like to see them work for nothing for a few years to make up for the terrible service we've received over the last 20 years. But I imagine that would set a bad example for future little MUNI workers. I mispoke, as George Bush used to say so frequently. Please add a couple of 00s to the amount I suggested above for the MUNI employees to be docked. Actually if it were possible, I’d like to see them work for nothing for a few years to make up for the terrible service we’ve received over the last 20 years. But I imagine that would set a bad example for future little MUNI workers.

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